I still have a lot of research to do on this case, so the final story’s not written yet.
Background to the Epstein Case - Virginia Giuffre, Prince Andrew, and Alan Dershowitz
First of all, there were hardly any underage girls on Jeffrey Epstein’s Pussy Island in the Virgin Islands. I think most were 17-23 and completely legal. It was the same in New York during the parties at his apartment in the later period, however there were younger girls there earlier. All of the girls in Florida were underage, but they were only having sex with Epstein. Some of the sex in New Mexico was legal with 17 year old girls, but I’m aware of a case of Epstein committing an actual rape of an underage 16 year old girl. The girls in the UK were at least 17 and legal.
The girl Prince Andrew had sex with on Pussy Island, Virginia Giuffre, was 17 1/2 at the time, four months shy of 18, and completely legal there and in other places she had sex with Andrew in New York, in New Mexico, and in the UK. She was illegal in Florida though. Andrew had sex with her in all of those places. Only the sex in Florida was illegal. In all places, Epstein paid her to have sex with Andrew, so Andrew was having sex with an underage prostitute. But he didn’t pay her. I’m not even sure if that’s a crime. It probably isn’t even illegal.
There's no evidence that Bill Clinton is on the Epstein tapes or that he had sex with an underage girl anywhere in the last 30 years or even before for that matter. Lots of people went to that island. It was a hangout for the rich and powerful. Most people who went there just did other things and did not indulge in sex with the young females. Apparently a lot of people didn’t know about that aspect of the island. I only of two men who had sex with girls on that island, Andrew and Alan Dershowitz (see below), and both had sex with her when she was 17 and legal. However, Epstein was pimping her out as a minor prostitute and that was illegal.
Giuffre said Dershowitz had sex with Giuffre a number of times from 2000-2002 in the Virgin Islands when she was 17-19 years old and completely legal. Epstein paid her for all of this sex. During this period, she was also prostituted to a number of other powerful men. Most of those men are hardly guilty of a crime as far as I can tell. Giuffre dropped out of the call girl business when she was 19. She met a man in Thailand and they quickly married.
Where Were the Cameras?
We only know that cameras were installed at Pussy Island. There’s no information on whether Epstein had cameras at his Florida mansion, his ranch in New Mexico, where he hung out in London, or at his apartment in New York.
Where Did Underage Sex Occur?
Underage sex occurred with Epstein in Florida and New Mexico and with a variety of mostly unknown men in New York. There’s no evidence that underage sex occurred at Pussy Island or in the UK as all the females were legal.
What We Know Is in the Epstein Files about Donald Trump
Three Photographs of Trump in the Epstein Files
The only material related to Donald Trump that is known to be in the Epstein files are three photos of Trump and Epstein with teenage girls of an uncertain age. But based on photos I have seen of parties at Epstein’s house, the girls in those photos were very young, 13-15, so it’s possible they may have been this age.
The photos were probably taken at one of Epstein’s parties at his apartment in New York. The females are topless. In two of the photos, the topless females are sitting on Trump’s lap. As far as I can tell, that’s legal behavior in New York even if they’re under 17. What’s the crime called? Illegal Topless Minor Sitting on Adult’s Lap? I’m not aware of a crime like that yet, but don’t worry, the feminists are on the case!
In another photo of possibly the same incident, two teenage girls of uncertain age, possibly 13-15, are pointing at Trump and laughing. He got aroused by the girls, obtained an erection, and ejaculated in his pants. The girls are pointing to the wet spot in his pants and laughing.
I’m not aware that that’s illegal either. What’s the crime called? Illegal Obtaining of an Erection and Achieving Ejaculation in the Presence of Topless Minors While Wearing Clothes? Don’t worry though, the feminists are working on it, and it will be illegal soon enough.
I’d like to point out that it’s not illegal for adults, even naked adults, to be around naked minors from teenagers to little children. There are nude beaches all over where naked children, teenagers, and adults all crowd onto beaches and walk around naked in front of each other.
There are nudist families where everyone walks around naked all the time, and it’s all perfectly legal. I got involved with a 29 year old woman recently who had two girls, 9 and 13. They were nudists. All three of them paraded about naked a good part of the time. You’d walk into the bedroom and there would be the mother splayed out naked on the bed with her naked 9 year old daughter next to her. I wasn’t worried about breaking any laws by being in that house with naked little girls and teenage girls running around.
The Child Rape Bullshit, the Pedophile Bullshit, the and Sex Trafficking Bullshit
The notion that Trump is a “pedophile” and a “child rapist” is based on the idea that everyone on the Epstein tapes is a “pedophile” guilty of “child rape.” But none of that is true.
Trump is guilty of “child rape”: See below. Trump is not a “child rapist.” Nobody is. In fact, I’m not aware of a single case of “child rape” in this whole sordid matter. The term “child rape” has been changed and ruined by the anti-sex fanatics. Now if an 18 year old man has sex with a 17 year old girl, it’s “child rape.” Lame huh? In fact, all sex between adults and teenage minors legal or not is now called “child rape.”
All statutory rape is also now called “child rape,” but statutory rape isn’t even rape. In addition, all child molestation has now been turned into “child rape,” but that’s a very bad analysis of child molestation. The crime of child rape only applies to the forcible rape of a small child under 13 and the circumstances around it are typically pretty frightening.
Trump is a “pedophile”: Donald Trump is not a “pedophile.” There were no known “pedophiles” involved in this matter. If Katie Johnson is to be believed, there was at least one case of child molestation in this story, but that man was a nonpedophilic molester.
“Sex trafficking”: This is the bullshit that won’t go away. There was some sex trafficking going on in this case, but I’m only aware of two cases. It’s not sex trafficking unless the female is trapped, basically imprisoned and not allowed to leave, and is forced to work as a prostitute having with men. She’s a kidnapped, imprisoned sex slave.
The reason they won’t shut up about this is because in 2012, in the midst of yet another Teen Sex Moral Panic, the federal government made it a federal government made it a federal crime to pimp out minor (generally teenage) prostitutes. Getting down to brass tacks, Epstein and his sidekick Ghislane Maxwell were simply pimps. They were pimping out teenage girls and young women to powerful adult men, apparently as part of an Israeli Mossad blackmail operation.
This new definition of sex trafficking is bullshit. The old words pimp and pimping were not evil enough, so in the midst of a one of the most asinine moral panics of my lifetime, the crime of pimping out minor prostitutes was changed to sex trafficking to make it sound more evil. We already had laws like Purveying the Prostitution of a Minor which were perfectly adequate.
The Allegations against Donald Trump of Sex with Underage Girls
First of all, there is not yet proof that the events described below happened. However many people have found Katie Johnson credible.
Katie Johnson’s Lawsuit
We have no idea if there is any reference or videotapes in the Epstein Files documenting the allegations below about Trump are true or not. This all depends on the testimony of Johnson (see below) based on her experiences at Epstein’s apartment in the 1990’s. These were revealed in a lawsuit she filed soon after Trump stole the 2016 election by rigging the voting machines. Johnson said that Trump had raped her as a young teenager, and she felt that no one who had done that should be anywhere near the presidency.
If you look around on the web you will find many MSM references to this case trashing it and saying it’s all unproven nonsense. There was a lot of weirdness surrounding the case involving some huckster lawyers Johnson was involved with and some problems with her addresses and tracking her down. Also at first everyone involved was trying to hide her identity, and on one occasion, one of her lawyers pretended to be her.
However, she fired the idiot lawyers and got herself a good woman lawyer who was sympathetic. I have seen a photo of Johnson as she appears now and as she appeared then. I saw a videotaped interview with her. I read her lawyer’s comment on the case, saying she took it because Johnson seemed believable. I have also read Johnson’s affidavit.
It is important to note that Johnson was going to have two witnesses testify that the events below took place.
One was a friend of hers (see below) who she told about the events at the time. This woman has been tracked down and it’s been verified that she was Johnson’s friend at the time. The other was woman (see below) who was present in the rooms when the illegal sex occurred. This woman has been tracked down and it’s verified that she was employed by Epstein during this period.
A 12 year old girl, Maria (see below), who was molested at these parties while Trump had sex with Johnson, has also been tracked down, and people think she used to go to these parties.
I studied this case for some time as you can see below, and I concluded that the events indeed occurred, but nevertheless none of these allegations have been proven yet since Johnson dropped her case.
The Actual Allegations Against Trump in Detail
There were definitely underage girls at Epstein's place in the mid-90's. Johnson was recruited as a model by a woman and invited to parties. Johnson stated that most of the girls at these parties were 13-14 years old. A few were 12, and she said one was 15. She attended at least five of these parties.
Johnson’s experiences with Trump at Epstein’s apartment involved five occasions.
At her first meeting with Trump was at a party at his apartment. She looked around and there seemed to be an orgy at the apartment. Most of the girls were 13 and 14 with adult men. Somehow by this time, Epstein had already turned her into a sex slave, which is apparently legal except she was a minor. Epstein pointed to Trump and told Johnson to go over to him and have sex with him. Johnson said she was made or forced to have sex with Trump by jerking him off.
This was an act of statutory rape.
This business about “forced to” and “made to” is probably bullshit, but Giuffre and Johnson both said that Epstein turned them into sex slaves. There’s no suggestion about how he accomplished this amazing feat. What’s his secret? Millions of American men wish to know.
Unless he used force or the threat of force to turn these girls into sex slaves, there’s no crime for doing that along except that Johnson was a minor. You can turn any woman you want into a sex slave if she goes along with it. It’s completely legal as long as you don’t use threats, force, or the threat of force to do so. So Johnson saying she was “made to” have sex with Trump just means Epstein told her to have sex with him, and she, being a sex slave, obeyed. Trump himself would have had to have used force or the threat of force in order for this to be rape. Also the girls have to be actively resisting, trying to escape or fight him off, or protesting and saying no, otherwise there’s no rape.
Believe it or not you can indeed coerce women into sex. You can give them orders or even bark orders at them like a Drill Sergeant. I do it a lot and it works great because they go completely submissive when you do that. They get these scared eyes and little girl voices and they’re gone, off in another world, cum drunk or in subspace, and they’ll do just about anything sexual. You can also grab a woman’s head and force her onto your body and into a sex act. As long as they go along it’s no problem. I do it a lot and it works great. If you do that and she tries to wrestle free or protests and says no and you force her onto you anyway, congratulations, you’re now a rapist.
On the second occasion, Trump had a fantasy and dressed Johnson and Maria up like maids. He put them in a room and made them make out with each other. That probably was not a crime that I’m aware of but perhaps it is. There are crimes called Arranging the Sexual Performance of a Child. In the affidavit, Johnson says she and Maria were forced to perform an unnatural lesbian sex act. It is not known if this referred the making out (it hardly qualifies as an unnatural sex act) or something more hardcore like actual sex. Trump came in the room, saw the girls making out, and had sex with Johnson afterwards.
The only crime I see here is statutory rape.
On the third occasion, Trump had a rape fantasy he wanted fulfilled. Trump, Maria, and Johnson were in a room, and Trump told the girls to get naked. After they did so, Trump, naked also, made the two girls get on the ground and perform oral sex on him together. And some point he came. Then he pushed the girls away and berated them for a lousy performance. Unless he used force or the threat of force and the girls were actively resisting, there is no rape.
These crimes were statutory rape and child molestation.
Then he shoved Johnson onto the bed and forced himself into her. She asked him to use a condom, but he had refused. She was protesting and saying no the whole time. He had PIV sex with her until he came. Then he hit Johnson in the face for no apparent reason. She was in tears, saying she was a virgin. Johnson cried asking what would happen if she got pregnant. Trump reached into his pocket, threw $400 at her, and barked at her to get an abortion. Trump threatened her, saying that if she ever talked, she and her whole family would be killed.
This crime was forcible rape of a minor.
He also assaulted her when he hit her in the face.
The threats may have been a crime, but that crime is hard to prove.
This event shows that Trump committed child molestation of Maria, and two crimes with Johnson - statutory rape (statutory rape isn’t really rape - it’s illegal intercourse) and rape of a minor.
Child rape is an uncommon crime, and the girl must be under 13 years old. It often involves a stranger, an abduction, kidnapping, false imprisonment, threats, use of a weapon (often a knife), and some sort of physical harm to the girl. Not uncommonly the girl is murdered. Most cases of adults having sex with children are classed as child molestation because the sex is “consensual” in a psychological sense but not in a legal sense.
On the fourth occasion, Epstein and Trump were in a room, and Epstein tied Johnson to the bed and proceeded to rape her. He tried to have anal sex with her, but she fought him off. He did manage to have PIV sex with her and reached orgasm although she was fighting him off the whole time. Epstein and Trump got into a fight because Trump had taken Johnson’s virginity, while Epstein had wanted to take it himself. Trump called Epstein a
You (something) Jew!
“Maria”
After he was done, Epstein repeatedly hit Johnson in the head, taking out his frustration over the argument with Trump. By this time Maria had disappeared abruptly and had not been seen in some time. Epstein threatened Johnson that if she talked, her family would be killed and she would “end up like Maria.” The implication here is that Epstein had arranged to have Maria murdered for some reason, and people thought that for some time.
However, I tracked down an obscure newspaper article printed some time ago from her hometown, a city on the Northeast Coast somewhere between New Jersey and Massachusetts (I’m forgetting the details). The article said she had been at these parties and had not been murdered as rumored but instead came home and had been living in the area for some time.
Johnson’s 13 Year Old Friend
The threats scared Johnson into being quiet for a while, but she told a girlfriend, also 13, shortly afterwards, and this woman was scheduled to testify at Johnson’s lawsuit against Trump that Johnson had in fact told her this at around the time when the events occurred, adding weight to her testimony.
The Hired Witness
Another woman was also scheduled to testify at Johnson’s trial. She was an adult when she worked for Trump in the 1990’s. She was present at these parties. She said scores (over 40) of girls aged 13-14 (a few were 12), with maybe a few 15 or 16 year olds (few if any girls were 17, which was legal), would be at these parties, which often turned into sex orgies. Apparently later on the crowd changed because another article I read said that most of the females at these parties were legal, 17-23. So the parties had a Lolita phase and a young woman phase.
What we do know is that this woman said that her job at the parties was to observe as much of the illegal sex these men were having with these girls as possible and later to go to Epstein and tell him in detail what had happened. Epstein said he needed this information because as he said
Knowledge is power.
It was implied that Epstein somehow used this information he had obtained about these powerful men having sex with Lolitas to help him make his fortune. I’m not quite understanding how he did this. He blackmailed them?
It is known that this woman was in the room on all four occasions and witnessed all the sex that Trump and Epstein had with Johnson and Maria, and she was prepared to testify in court. Apparently this woman has been located, and it’s been verified that she did work for Epstein during this period.
Obviously any of the men at those parties having sex with those girls were committing a crime of either statutory rape or child molestation depending on the age of the girl. It is not known whether Epstein had cameras in his house at these parties and took videos of these men having sex with Lolitas as blackmail material.
Allegations That Trump Raped Several Children, Boys and Girls, Aged 10-12, and Settled with Them Out of Court
Among the bizarre allegations against Trump is that he settled several court cases for large sums of money alleging that he raped children, male and female, ages 10-12. The rumor lists the name, sex, and age of each victim and how much the payout was. It also alleges that Trump was diagnosed in a court of law as having Pedophilic Disorder. I don’t think he has that disorder. Instead he’s a rapist, a statutory rapist, and a nonpedophilic child molester as most all of them (80%) are.
The web says there’s no evidence that these lawsuits and payoffs even happened, but one of the purported victims was a “Maria,” 12 years old, with an Hispanic last name. She supposedly settled out of court with Trump for $17 million. The fact that a “Maria,” age 12, settled with Trump in a court case similar to Johnson’s for a large sum of money seems too good to be true. I’m thinking that this person may be the Maria described in the events above, and that there is something to these rumors about Trump and very young sex crime victims, at least in the cases of Maria and Johnson.
Johnson received many anonymous death threats which caused her to drop her case. Johnson was apparently paid off to drop her case against Trump. If this is so, she must have signed an NDA with Trump, and she can’t talk about the case else she can get sued. If Maria’s case is valid, and the other cases of boys and girls are valid, they all must must have signed NDA’s. Therefore it looks like even if these cases were real, the NDA’s that were certainly used make it impossible to prove it. If Trump was indeed found in a court of law to suffer from pedophilic disorder, then surely this court case would be a public record.
There's a disconnect but to actually be there in a beautiful place with beautiful women, few straight men could resist.
MSNBC won't leave this alone. I don't get though - if the files don't cause any problems for Trump and company, why not release them?